Smoking toooooo much PHP



Some feedback
Hey Alan,

Just wanted to give you some feedback regarding your post.

I agree that the term framework is scary. It does remind people (including myself) of bloat and complex APIs. That's why our developers have "Extreme Simplicity" written on their whiteboards, and we double and tripple check ourselves to make sure we're not overcomplicating things. Our aim is to provide functionality which address 80% of the users. As I mentioned in my previous post, I definitely see people using native APIs and their favorite libraries, side-by-side. But be assured. My main goal is to keep complexity low.

Regarding IP Fud, it's actually not Fud. It's definitely an issue for many companies, and one of the main reasons why they write everything from scratch. But just to be clear, that is not the only or even main reason for the framework. I think there's a big need for something like this in the PHP space, to keep PHP competitive with technologies such as .NET and Ruby on Rails.

You personally might not be the target audience, but I definitely think that many, including project architects, will be happy that they don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's all about choice and this framework will be one of the possible choices. I am sure there will be lots of people who will prefer not to use a framework and just use plain PHP, or use other component libraries such as PEAR (or maybe a mix of all three). It's worked for many up to now and there's no reason it shouldn't continue to work for many.

Anyway, thanks for posting your thoughts!

Andi
#1 - Andi Gutmans ( Link) on 28 Oct 2005, 10:50 Delete Comment
Hardly the competition
Hi Alan,

It's flattering to think someone would think of <a href="http://solarphp.com">Solar</a> as competing on the same playing field as Zend. Much as I like the idea, I don't think that's the case. :-)

And to clarify, Zend didn't approach me; Andi posted a help-wanted on his blog, and I answered it. We know how that worked out. :-)
#2 - Paul M. Jones ( Link) on 31 Oct 2005, 05:27 Delete Comment


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