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XUL r00lz
I absolutely agree with you.
Mozilla is the best platform for web applications and XUL the best choice.

I hope Safari and Opera adopt XUL in the future.

#1 - GeorgeNava ( Link) on 27 Aug 2005, 01:48 Delete Comment
Anywhere?
It works everywhere, and doesnt involve huge kludges to workaround known bugs in different browsers. real "write once, run everywhere."


No, it doesn't run anywhere. It will however, run anywhere that you use a MOZILLA based web browser.

I'll probably be drawn and quartered for saying this, but how is that any different from what MS tried to do 10 years ago or so? Remember all those "best viewed with Netscape" and "best viewed with Internet Explorer" buttons you used to see? Do we want that all over again? I don't.

Opera and Safari may or may not adopt XUL, but IE never would. Thus, segragating the internet community ... again.

I'm fine with XUL. I've used it, and it's truely great. But I sincerely hope it never takes over. Because I don't want to be tied to ANY brower... IE, or Mozilla...

--cheers
#2 - Anonymous Coward ( Link) on 27 Aug 2005, 14:03 Delete Comment
write once run everywhere
I agree that XUL is really the best I've seen so far in the RIA playground.

But... :-)
> doesnt involve huge kludges to workaround known bugs in different browsers. real "write once, run everywhere."

Unfortunately it does. I'm using XUL for not so small prject - CMS. I run several times in the problem that it didn't work for Mozilla or Firefox or Epiphany... all latest versions. The CMS WYSIWYG editor initialization drove me crazy because it worked always in two of mentioned browsers but never in all three.

And don't forget that the current implementation of XUL is NOT COMPLETE! It has few serious inconsistencies/bugs. Starting with XBL inheritance problems and ending with inability to load remote DTD files (I’m Czech and localizability is really the key feature for me). What scared me a lot was when I run my project in Deer Park it didn't work at all.

To be honest I see ten times a day my FF crashing. And believe me in app with thousands of JS lines/XBL it is not easy to find the piece of code that causes crashes. There are not many tools for XUL developers out there. The rest of available tools crash in the same time as Gecko...

XUL will be REALYYY COOOOOL... but in the near future – not now, now is only COOL but it is definitely worth ;-).

#3 - Elixon ( Link) on 31 Aug 2005, 02:49 Delete Comment
XUL has alternatives
XUL is OK (not cool), as I too have faced problems similar to those mentioned by Elixon above.
XUL has alternatives like ThinLet (www.Thinlet.com ) which has been adopted by Genesis Framework ( genesis.dev.java.net.

Another approach to watchout is Laszlo www.laszlosystems.com
IBM has adopted it in its ETTK (http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/ettk)initiative.
For a developer who has not invested much in XUL must first look at Laszlo and Thinlet before commiting to Mozilla XUL.
Be aware though, that Thinlet claims to be XUL but is <b> NOT </b> Mozilla XUL.
They seem to use the term in a generic manner.

I have not mentioned Microsoft XAML, since its not cross platform YET!
#4 - Ashish Banerjee ( Link) on 13 Sep 2005, 17:47 Delete Comment


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